In this episode, Jeff Vanderstelt talks with author and professor Chuck DeGroat, who proposes that true transformation requires moving beyond habit formation. Instead, the nervous system’s state of dysregulation needs to be addressed, which often keeps people trapped in a cycle of storm or fog. By shifting away from a performance-driven hamster wheel and toward a place of safety, connection, and rest, individuals can experience abiding in Christ. Ultimately, the conversation serves as an invitation for weary leaders to embrace curiosity and vulnerability, allowing their internal dashboard to lead them back to being at home with God.
